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作者: peacemaker 時間: 17-2-2007 11:01 標題: 齒輪一問 (7mm啤鈴波箱)

請問大家最常用咩牌子齒輪改槍,我有個7mm啤鈴波箱,想打底中,請問大家有冇d咩牌子齒輪介紹? 我用eg1000摩打. G&B M16 鋼齒輪ok嗎?

作者: Hkpolice-Psu 時間: 17-2-2007 12:59

system牙，第一都okay丫

作者: peacemaker 時間: 18-2-2007 11:43

咁請問PromethXXs ok 嗎?

作者: odaan 時間: 18-2-2007 16:32

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原帖由 peacemaker 於 18-2-2007 11:43 發表
咁請問PromethXXs ok 嗎?

"第一" = PromethXXs
兩者係同一間廠

作者: Char_aznabule 時間: 17-6-2007 02:18 標題: 回覆 #2 Hkpolice-Psu 的帖子

Systema.....淋到唔想用.........|)

作者: 14692 時間: 17-6-2007 05:06 標題: 回覆 #2 Hkpolice-Psu 的帖子

syste*a不如用'第一'牌

作者: LifeAfterDeath 時間: 17-6-2007 11:18

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原帖由 odaan 於 2/18/07 16:32 發表

"第一" = PromethXXs
兩者係同一間廠

this is the first pick... then second pick will be Xystema...

作者: LifeAfterDeath 時間: 17-6-2007 17:34

but for 7mm bearing Gear Box...
remember not to use Helical Gear... since it will break you bearing in no time...

作者: odyssey2007 時間: 3-7-2007 20:55

點解斜齒會整爛o的bearing??

作者: RC00078 時間: 3-7-2007 21:11

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原帖由 odyssey2007 於 3-7-2007 20:55 發表
點解斜齒會整爛o的bearing??

唔會架.......
不過你唔識整......咩都爛咁解

作者: LifeAfterDeath 時間: 4-7-2007 01:37

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原帖由 odyssey2007 於 7/3/07 20:55 發表
點解斜齒會整爛o的bearing??

because Helical Gear is design for high power performance... however when you using bearing gearbox with M120 spring... those tension will break the bearing apart...

Quote from airsoftforum...
GEARS: (Does NOT affect Gun FPS, only ROF)
Infinite=(1) Ultra=(2) SuperTorqueUp=(3) TorqueUp=(4) StockRatio=(5) FastGear=(6)
>> Numbers indicate "car-gear-shift". *Small batts (non Sub-C) DOWNSHIFT to next LOWER gear. <<
Common Gear-to-Spring Setup for Big Batt (engine) (Sub-C):
Fast Gears (6) - UP TO M100 / SP100 / PDI120%
Stock Gears (5) can 'safely' handle up to M130, SP130, PDI190% <<<< on 9.6v 1700mAh(min)
Torque Up Gears (4) - M130 / SP130 / PDI190%-210% or LOWER
Torque Up Gears OR Super Torque Up (4/3) - M140 / SP140 / PDI240%
Ultra Torque Up Gears (2) - M150 / SP150 / PDI270%
Ultra or Infinite Gears (2/1) - M160 / SP160 << Needs minor machining to fit on Ver.2 GearBox
Infinite Torque Up Gears (1) - M170 / SP170 << Needs minor machining to fit on Ver.2 GearBox
*Some Gear set won't fit on some reinforced Gearbox-CHECK first before you get one.
*No known machining on stock ver.3 GearBox to fit any gear set.
*AVOID using Bearing Bushings on M120 above. only for soft springs

M130 / SP130 / PDI190%-PDI210% on STOCK Gears will last Approx. 5-10 months (depends on use)
Stock Gears - Low Cost, nice ROF. will not last long. (cast alloy)
Flat Gears - Noisier, Cheaper. More durable (steel)
Helical Gears - Silent. Expensive. shimming sensitive (steel) <<Avoid pairing w/ Bearing Bushings

THIS IS THE REASON...

作者: odyssey2007 時間: 4-7-2007 01:59

咁如果我係ca 快斜齒+ pdi 100%/120% + first/guarder 6mm bearing 呢?

作者: LifeAfterDeath 時間: 4-7-2007 02:03

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原帖由 odyssey2007 於 7/4/07 01:59 發表
咁如果我係ca 快斜齒+ pdi 100%/120% + first/guarder 6mm bearing 呢?

personally I won't go for 6mm... is just won't last long... no matter what kind of spring u r using...
at least 7mm bearing is decent... and your setting works fine with it as long as not 6mm bearing...

作者: odyssey2007 時間: 4-7-2007 02:06

師兄回得好快
多謝指教~

作者: 車厘子 時間: 4-7-2007 02:07

m120 打7mm 未會有事

作者: LifeAfterDeath 時間: 4-7-2007 02:10

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原帖由 車厘子 於 7/4/07 02:07 發表
m120 打7mm 未會有事

with or without Helical Gear??

作者: 車厘子 時間: 4-7-2007 02:10

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原帖由 LifeAfterDeath 於 4-7-2007 02:10 發表

with or without Helical Gear??

without

作者: LifeAfterDeath 時間: 4-7-2007 02:11

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原帖由 odyssey2007 於 7/4/07 02:06 發表
師兄回得好快
多謝指教~

no problem pal... I do have some free time b4 going to bed... and so why not helping others...

作者: LifeAfterDeath 時間: 4-7-2007 02:11

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原帖由 車厘子 於 7/4/07 02:10 發表

without

then will last for around 50000 rounds...

作者: odyssey2007 時間: 4-7-2007 02:11

問多個問題
咁如果都係ca 快斜齒+ 100/120%
頂齒o個pair用鋼杯士, 其他用bearing 又會唔會好o的呢?
因為頂齒torque 大轉數慢, 其餘兩粒就相反

作者: LifeAfterDeath 時間: 4-7-2007 02:12

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原帖由 odyssey2007 於 7/4/07 02:11 發表
問多個問題
咁如果都係ca 快斜齒+ 100/120%
頂齒o個pair用鋼杯士, 其他用bearing 又會唔會好o的呢?
因為頂齒torque 大轉數慢, 其餘兩粒就相反

won't make much difference...

作者: 車厘子 時間: 4-7-2007 02:13

but 我都唔係好明斜唔斜有關係架咩?

作者: LifeAfterDeath 時間: 4-7-2007 02:19

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原帖由 車厘子 於 7/4/07 02:13 發表
but 我都唔係好明斜唔斜有關係架咩?

Here are the main difference on gear...
Stock Gears - Low Cost, nice ROF. will not last long. (cast alloy)
Flat Gears - Noisier, Cheaper. More durable (steel)
Helical Gears - Silent. Expensive. shimming sensitive (steel) <<Avoid pairing w/ Bearing Bushings

cux Helical Gear is design for high power performance... and it will draw alot more tension then normal gear...
in this case those tension will toward the bearing bushing... and since 6mm and 7mm is so small and they will break real fast compare to normal gear...

作者: RC00078 時間: 4-7-2007 02:20

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原帖由 LifeAfterDeath 於 4-7-2007 02:03 發表

personally I won't go for 6mm... is just won't last long... no matter what kind of spring u r using...
at least 7mm bearing is decent... and your setting works fine with it as long as not 6m ...

呢個係視乎啤呤既受力啫, 每個啤呤同埋唔同大細既啤呤都有唔同受力情度.....
一句講野, 紙上談兵係無用既, 落手落腳試完先知

作者: LifeAfterDeath 時間: 4-7-2007 02:22

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原帖由華田於 7/4/07 02:20 發表

呢個係視乎啤呤既受力啫, 每個啤呤同埋唔同大細既啤呤都有唔同受力情度.....
一句講野, 紙上談兵係無用既, 落手落腳試完先知

well then you can go for it... at least I have done it myself and with some of my friends also done that b4... (one of my friend do own a shop on "Gun Street"

BESIDE... I am saying is do no good to the bearing bushing... not saying it won't work... and some ppl willing to change the bearing bushing once every few games then he will still use it... but moreless is like money talk afterward...

[ 本帖最後由 LifeAfterDeath 於 4-7-2007 02:24 編輯 ]

作者: 車厘子 時間: 4-7-2007 02:24

6同7冇事
咁8同9 會唔會好d
斜齒整set 得唔o岩係嘈過平齒

作者: LifeAfterDeath 時間: 4-7-2007 02:27

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原帖由 車厘子 於 7/4/07 02:24 發表
6同7冇事
咁8同9 會唔會好d
斜齒整set 得唔o岩係嘈過平齒

start from 8mm will do much better then the others...
Helical Gears... I never have any problem with it... so never heard your case... (maybe I am lucky)

作者: 車厘子 時間: 4-7-2007 02:30

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原帖由 LifeAfterDeath 於 4-7-2007 02:27 發表

start from 8mm will do much better then the others...
Helical Gears... I never have any problem with it... so never heard your case... (maybe I am lucky)

我好奈之前 d 火力年代聽d人用斜齒.....d聲同就黎掃齒冇咩分別
so 我冇用過

作者: LifeAfterDeath 時間: 4-7-2007 02:33

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原帖由 車厘子 於 7/4/07 02:30 發表

我好奈之前 d 火力年代聽d人用斜齒.....d聲同就黎掃齒冇咩分別
so 我冇用過

well in that case maybe the gear screwed up... so I am not sure... and nowadays since most people with with only 1.2J... no one willing to use those expansive gear anymore... maybe M14, sinper type airsoft will use those... but for normal one I don't think it is a good choice for it...

作者: odyssey2007 時間: 4-7-2007 02:33

都係想睇下有冇機會自己試下用鋼杯士x2+ bearing x4 + 快斜齒+ 120%, 想睇下exactly 會發生咩事
如果我真係試左就再番黎呢個post report 下la~ (如果個post 冇沉到唔見左既話)
多謝各位師兄既指教~

作者: LifeAfterDeath 時間: 4-7-2007 02:35

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原帖由 odyssey2007 於 7/4/07 02:33 發表
都係想睇下有冇機會自己試下用鋼杯士x2+ bearing x4 + 快斜齒+ 120%, 想睇下exactly 會發生咩事
如果我真係試左就再番黎呢個post report 下la~ (如果個post 冇沉到唔見左既話)
多謝各位師兄既指教~

go for it... but remember make sure shoot up to around 50000 rounds and report... since most problem won't see until you get to 40000-50000 rounds of BBs...

作者: 車厘子 時間: 4-7-2007 02:36

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原帖由 LifeAfterDeath 於 4-7-2007 02:33 發表

well in that case maybe the gear screwed up... so I am not sure... and nowadays since most people with with only 1.2J... no one willing to use those expansive gear anymore... maybe M14, sinpe ...

其實而家d 齒出得咁靚
systema d 斜齒都冇咩人用
聽完你咁講
我問個朋友拎一套試下玩先

作者: LifeAfterDeath 時間: 4-7-2007 02:37

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原帖由 車厘子 於 7/4/07 02:36 發表

其實而家d 齒出得咁靚
systema d 斜齒都冇咩人用
聽完你咁講
我問個朋友拎一套試下玩先

拎...

I have to pay for it... even I do have discount... but again if you could... get 1st one is better then Xystema one...

I am using it on my P90 and next project... SAM-R

[ 本帖最後由 LifeAfterDeath 於 4-7-2007 02:38 編輯 ]

作者: 車厘子 時間: 4-7-2007 03:14

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原帖由 LifeAfterDeath 於 4-7-2007 02:37 發表

拎...
I have to pay for it... even I do have discount... but again if you could... get 1st one is better then Xystema one...

I am using it on my P90 and next project... SAM-R

朋友有spear systema 斜齒
試過自己應付到o既先買first

作者: LifeAfterDeath 時間: 4-7-2007 03:38

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原帖由 車厘子 於 7/4/07 03:14 發表

朋友有spear systema 斜齒
試過自己應付到o既先買first

you are so lucky...

作者: 車厘子 時間: 4-7-2007 03:42

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原帖由 LifeAfterDeath 於 4-7-2007 03:38 發表

you are so lucky...

i think so

作者: RC00078 時間: 4-7-2007 03:45

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原帖由 LifeAfterDeath 於 4-7-2007 02:22 發表

well then you can go for it... at least I have done it myself and with some of my friends also done that b4... (one of my friend do own a shop on "Gun Street"

BESIDE... I am say ...

咁又真係要試下..........
因為我對上一次又係唯一一次啤呤係打1 面力, 用左高扭斜齒

作者: LifeAfterDeath 時間: 4-7-2007 03:50

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原帖由華田於 7/4/07 03:45 發表

咁又真係要試下..........
因為我對上一次又係唯一一次啤呤係打1 面力, 用左高扭斜齒

1 面力... which spring are u using? and beside using Helical Gear on spring is less then M120 will do no good at all...
if you do using Helical Gear with M120 will easy give you around 1,5J power... is like bottom of the Coke can...

作者: RC00078 時間: 4-7-2007 03:54

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原帖由 LifeAfterDeath 於 4-7-2007 03:50 發表

1 面力... which spring are u using? and beside using Helical Gear on spring is less then M120 will do no good at all...
if you do using Helical Gear with M120 will easy give you around 1,5J ...

用第一既m100, 都未落場, 試槍0固陣己經爆, 齒都玩完埋

但係高扭齒我又唔覺得會影響到力喎.....

作者: LifeAfterDeath 時間: 4-7-2007 04:01

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原帖由華田於 7/4/07 03:54 發表

用第一既m100, 都未落場, 試槍0固陣己經爆, 齒都玩完埋
但係高扭齒我又唔覺得會影響到力喎.....

it won't affect the fps... but it will make the motor last longer...

作者: RC00078 時間: 4-7-2007 04:24

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原帖由 LifeAfterDeath 於 4-7-2007 04:01 發表

it won't affect the fps... but it will make the motor last longer...

我英文唔係咁好, last longer 係指長命d ?

作者: lcy0069 時間: 4-7-2007 04:50

搭單一問,我套新的first加硬齒裝上波箱後空轉時，點解會發出很大的声音，似齒輪的摩擦声，但都叫轉到，其實有冇問題？如有，又點解決？thanks!

作者: RC00078 時間: 4-7-2007 04:54

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原帖由 lcy0069 於 4-7-2007 04:50 發表
搭單一問,我套新的first加硬齒裝上波箱後空轉時，點解會發出很大的声音，似齒輪的摩擦声，但都叫轉到，其實有冇問題？如有，又點解決？thanks!

你未set 好套齒囉....
有好多因素, 個麼打裝得啱唔啱啦, set 得夠唔夠啦, 用平齒有無留意番每粒齒既門距, 用斜齒有無俾番空間佢度橫向力, 杯士到底裝得
好唔好,
慢慢試下, set 齒都幾好玩架

作者: 14692 時間: 4-7-2007 05:04 標題: 回覆 #43 華田的帖子

"set 齒都幾好玩".......可以玩成日

作者: LifeAfterDeath 時間: 4-7-2007 09:43

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原帖由 14692 於 7/4/07 05:04 發表
"set 齒都幾好玩".......可以玩成日

indeed... but airsoft set gear is much easier then R/C car...

作者: RC00078 時間: 4-7-2007 13:03

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原帖由 14692 於 4-7-2007 05:04 發表
"set 齒都幾好玩".......可以玩成日

你玩齒......齒玩你

作者: 14692 時間: 5-7-2007 04:59 標題: 回覆 #46 華田的帖子

但係又好過癮

作者: shamotang 時間: 19-7-2007 11:30

剛剛琴日整左套ca斜齒入 GP 7mm 度 ,

set左第一次 , 係成套齒fit位既 , 冇左右移動既 , 齒與齒之間有 0.2 - 0.3 mm 位置 , 手轉12 圈 , 未落油 , 不過失敗左 , 用 4.8 v 電磨合 , 好嘈 , 明顯有一下大聲 , 之後再set過 !

set 第 2 次 , 全部拎走 0.1mm 既介子 , 手轉反而慢左 , 8 圈 , 心諗博一博 , 反而成功左....
好靜 , 真係好靜 , 聽到咁靜真係好正 ! 係個 motor 既轉聲比齒聲更大 !

測試比平齒快 3 粒

如果用 '第一' set 好之後一定好high !

作者: RC00078 時間: 19-7-2007 12:53 標題: 回覆 #48 shamotang 的帖子

斜齒咁set 既咩???
套齒無左右移動你都可以手轉12 圈?!?!??!?!?

作者: shamotang 時間: 19-7-2007 13:17

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原帖由華田於 19-7-2007 12:53 發表
斜齒咁set 既咩???
套齒無左右移動你都可以手轉12 圈?!?!??!?!?

um..或者我既方法係錯 , 因為有c兄教我 set 齒就係唔比齒輪有左右移動 , 不過左右唔移 , 唔多表緊架喎 , 唔明 c兄會覺得 12 圈有問題 , 7 mm 啤令有C兄轉成 16 個 [ 竟然係合格jar 佢話 ] , 可能有一個 set 齒既方式我未參透到 , 我set 斜齒都係一步步試 , 實際set 左好耐 , 當然耐唔代表好啦 , 如果華田兄有梗好方法 , 一定要教下小弟 !

作者: RC00078 時間: 19-7-2007 13:24

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原帖由 shamotang 於 19-7-2007 13:17 發表

um..或者我既方法係錯 , 因為有c兄教我 set 齒就係唔比齒輪有左右移動 , 不過左右唔移 , 唔多表緊?, 可能有一個 set 齒既方式我未參透到 , 我set 斜齒都係一步步試 , 實際set 左好耐 , 當然耐唔代表好啦 ...

教就唔敢當....覺得你手指好大力啫....
斜齒轉0固陣時會有橫向力, 就算你唔係set 得緊, 不過左右唔移都唔可能順.....

作者: shamotang 時間: 19-7-2007 14:09

我set 之前已經了解左斜齒既橫向 , 而我拎走個 0.1 mm 介子時 , 唔係同一面 , 而我得出既結論係2 個斜齒既齒面 , 會係一個特定既接觸面發揮最大作用 [ 最順 , 最快等等 ] , 重要計埋橫向 , 所以set 既時候比平齒多左手工 .

另外.....我用普通力水去推佢......合埋波相去推 , 大力極有限啦.....個位咁窄.....

作者: RC00078 時間: 19-7-2007 17:16

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原帖由 shamotang 於 19-7-2007 14:09 發表
我set 之前已經了解左斜齒既橫向 , 而我拎走個 0.1 mm 介子時 , 唔係同一面 , 而我得出既結論係2 個斜齒既齒面 , 會係一個特定既接觸面發揮最大作用 , 重要計埋橫向 , 所以set 既時候比平齒多左手工 .

另 ...

了解左橫向...
但係依然"set左第一次 , 係成套齒fit位既 , 冇左右移動既 , 齒與齒之間有 0.2 - 0.3 mm 位置 , 手轉12 圈 "

作者: shamotang 時間: 19-7-2007 17:45

.........其實可能我表達錯啦 , 或者有什麼未交待清楚 , 我只係真心分享 , 正當我以為我未到合格既 16 圈 , 心諗算啦 , 已經整左幾個鐘 , 我亦冇吹水既必要 , 請多多包涵^^

作者: RC00078 時間: 19-7-2007 17:54

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原帖由 shamotang 於 19-7-2007 17:45 發表
.........其實可能我表達錯啦 , 或者有什麼未交待清楚 , 我只係真心分享 , 正當我以為我未到合格既 16 圈 , 心諗算啦 , 已經整左幾個鐘 , 我亦冇吹水既必要 , 請多多包涵^^

其實你點樣數佢圈左幾多個圈呢??
個個既指力都唔同, 你轉左2 個圈, 佢可能會轉到4 個圈
數出黎既數字又唔係個個一樣....
我話我轉到100 個圈都得架啦

作者: LifeAfterDeath 時間: 19-7-2007 18:13

is that really matter? can't you feel is fit or not?
it seem to me is easy to set up...

maybe is my luck...

作者: 14692 時間: 20-7-2007 05:18 標題: 回覆 #49 華田的帖子

平齒就話啫

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