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作者: AJM 時間: 21-2-2007 01:17 標題: Dragon Skin SUCKS!!!!!!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PuMHhw_w1qs

It is something new BUT..... The complete body armour is much heavier than the normal body armour including hard plate.

[ 本帖最後由 AJM 於 21-2-2007 01:19 編輯 ]

作者: sunny 時間: 21-2-2007 05:47

Smart design!

作者: Henry 時間: 21-2-2007 16:40 標題: 回覆 #1 AJM 的帖子

um... hey dude... did you see how many rounds that vest took? a grenade blew up right underneath the vest?

you normally put a steel plate underneath cause kevlar isn't enough, and those won't take half of those rounds... not even 1/10 of the bullets that had been fired......what makes you think that dragon skin users even have to use a steel plate?
alright, let me ask you, how heavy is a dragon skin vest? i personally know guys who are in iraq using dragon skin, it's good stuff and everyone overseas wants to get their hands on it!

TELL ME THAT STUFF SUCKS! i'd rather take the word of someone over in iraq who's had experience with dragon skin than someone who reads their catalogues and comes up with his own conclusion.

作者: AJM 時間: 21-2-2007 16:55

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原帖由 Henry 於 21-2-2007 16:40 發表
um... hey dude... did you see how many rounds that vest took? a grenade blew up right underneath the vest?

you normally put a steel plate underneath cause kevlar isn't enough, and those won't ...

Is Dragon Skin being issue by the U.S. Military? Answer this question first before I start entertaining you.

作者: Parachuter 時間: 21-2-2007 20:13

oh see we're going back to the ''past'' those skins are just like what the Chinese soldiers wore
thousands years ago hohoho

作者: SiuPO1983 時間: 21-2-2007 22:08

睇落好似好勁咁WOR.......睇

作者: 車神勇 時間: 21-2-2007 22:33

爆炸個度件野都算完整,但係我諗如果個人係真ga 話一樣係死......

作者: AJM 時間: 21-2-2007 22:47

The Dragon Skin was developed in 1996. The manufacturer didn't even get a NIJ Level IV approval report from the National Institute of Justice. Pinnacle Armor only got the NIJ Level III approval test report.

[ 本帖最後由 AJM 於 21-2-2007 22:54 編輯 ]

作者: AJM 時間: 21-2-2007 22:57

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原帖由 車神勇 於 21-2-2007 22:33 發表
爆炸個度件野都算完整,但係我諗如果個人係真ga 話一樣係死......

The users may kill by the blunt trauma causes by the grenade.

作者: SiuPO1983 時間: 21-2-2007 23:19

O...姐係.......唔好用呀?

作者: cccarlos 時間: 21-2-2007 23:49

Is there anything really sucks apart from its so called heavy weight?

作者: adrianyahk 時間: 21-2-2007 23:49

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原帖由 SiuPO1983 於 21-2-2007 23:19 發表
O...姐係.......唔好用呀?

即係...件野食完個手榴彈唔爛唔等於你唔會死...

作者: AJM 時間: 22-2-2007 00:19

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原帖由 SiuPO1983 於 21-2-2007 23:19 發表
O...姐係.......唔好用呀?

好唔好用就唔知，係唔敢用，1996發明但到現在NIJ Level IV certificate都無，邊到有信心呀！

作者: AJM 時間: 22-2-2007 04:25

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=104182

作者: Parachuter 時間: 22-2-2007 07:45

maybe it is not suitable for military what about police? I think it's an good idea

作者: cccarlos 時間: 22-2-2007 09:53

Sir AJM, it's indeed very funny watching to arguing with this armor.
See, you brought this "news" to us, and it suddenly mess with you 'coz it does more protection to the person.
What are you trying to say?

作者: WAIKO01 時間: 22-2-2007 11:32

但有一說是龍鱗甲(Dragon Skin)是被故意中傷的.

作者: WAIKO01 時間: 22-2-2007 11:46

coming soon,Liquid Armor.

http://break.com/index/newarmor23.html

作者: AJM 時間: 22-2-2007 12:30

相信如果件Dragon Skin真係咁好，美國軍部一早落晒訂單。iraq有兵仔用Dragon Skin係因為佢地家人買寄俾佢地用，唔係軍部issue.

[ 本帖最後由 AJM 於 22-2-2007 12:36 編輯 ]

作者: AJM 時間: 22-2-2007 12:38

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原帖由 WAIKO01 於 22-2-2007 11:32 發表
但有一說是龍鱗甲(Dragon Skin)是被故意中傷的.

點解要故意中傷佢?

作者: AJM 時間: 22-2-2007 12:40

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原帖由 Parachuter 於 22-2-2007 07:45 發表
maybe it is not suitable for military what about police? I think it's an good idea

Will see in the coming future.

作者: cccarlos 時間: 22-2-2007 12:45 標題: 回覆 #19 AJM 的帖子

so

作者: AJM 時間: 22-2-2007 12:56

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原帖由 cccarlos 於 22-2-2007 12:45 發表
so

Read my post #8.

[ 本帖最後由 AJM 於 22-2-2007 12:57 編輯 ]

作者: cccarlos 時間: 22-2-2007 13:10 標題: 回覆 #23 AJM 的帖子

how does it matter?

作者: Paul 時間: 22-2-2007 13:34

樓主話龍片甲一般重過其他設計好多,所以唔好用。

作者: cccarlos 時間: 22-2-2007 17:42 標題: 回覆 #25 Paul 的帖子

if he says so,

"READ"

作者: Henry 時間: 23-2-2007 19:36 標題: 回覆 #4 AJM 的帖子

alright, sure the US militray doesn't have contracts with them, but neither do they have contracts with half the crap US soldiers use out on the field.
USGI GPS systems suck balls, eats battery and all... lots of soldiers buy their own GPS systems.
soldiers generally prefer Glocks and 1911's in Iraq, but what do they use? Beretta's.
even if you have a pistol, if you don't have the ranks or clearance, you wouldn't get to bring it.
GI boots suck dick as well. commercial combat boots are much more preferred than GI boots.

if the US government doesn't contract it, it doesn't mean it's bad, sometimes it's too EXPENSIVE to buy for the US f-ing Army. this isn't a group of mercenaries, it's a bunch of guys in the US Armed Forces.

yeah sure, dragon skin's nice, and it keeps you bulletproof, but to contract it would mean that they'd have to get one per soldier, i'm pretty sure the guys in the congress would love to give you 50million for new body armour to replace the 2 year old designs.

i konw for a fact that everyone wants dragon skin over in iraq, but the US military regulates stuff like that real real real bad, plus they're expensive to come by and hard to get orders put down to begin with

作者: Henry 時間: 23-2-2007 19:38 標題: 回覆 #18 WAIKO01 的帖子

that looks COOL!!!
but it looks hot and steamy... all your sweat trapped inside... would be pretty disgusting

作者: AJM 時間: 24-2-2007 01:33

1) I agree with you that the U.S. Government is totally Fxxk Up. They didn't even have enough supplies for their troops in Iraq.

2) For those U.S. military troopers didn't receive a body armour in Iraq, their families member have to buy body armour from the States and mailed it to their love one. Perhaps, some of the U.S. troopers received Dragon Skin from their families back home. It doesn't mean Dragon Skin is a good body armour but better than nothing, especially their love one had nothing to protect in Iraq.

3) A good quality certified body armour should have NIJ certificate issue by National Institute of Justice. Does Dragon Skin have a NIJ Level IV certificate for their Level IV body armour which defect .30 caliber M2 AP round, weight grains 166, maximum velocity 878m/sec or (2880)ft/sec?

[ 本帖最後由 AJM 於 24-2-2007 02:40 編輯 ]

作者: match_man 時間: 24-2-2007 08:02

咦

...無試.50ge?

作者: Henry 時間: 24-2-2007 12:53 標題: 回覆 #29 AJM 的帖子

ok, well, perhaps you've done more research on the governmental reports than i have, but here i'll just speak from what i've heard a very very general opinion: the guys love dragon skin

now what the government reports, i guess you know better than i do, but i'm still gonna have to stick to the fact that i've heard everyone talk about how much they want that stuff, and that troop reviews give it an A++

and to the other guy...
a 7.62x51 bullet is generally 168gn
while a .50BMG is usually 649gn or 750gn
are you serious on making body armour for that?

作者: cccarlos 時間: 25-2-2007 00:07 標題: 回覆 #31 Henry 的帖子

sorry for my nonsense but...
what is gn?

作者: sunny 時間: 25-2-2007 01:21

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原帖由 AJM 於 24-2-2007 01:33 發表
1) I agree with you that the U.S. Government is totally Fxxk Up. They didn't even have enough supplies for their troops in Iraq.

2) For those U.S. military troopers didn't receive a body armo ...

As I remember, every U.S. Military personnel will have a set of standard issue body armor.

作者: sunny 時間: 25-2-2007 01:23

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原帖由 Henry 於 24-2-2007 12:53 發表
ok, well, perhaps you've done more research on the governmental reports than i have, but here i'll just speak from what i've heard a very very general opinion: the guys love dragon skin

now wh ...

I think is pointless to make a body armor that can stop a .50 BMG. I think u will still get kill from the shock when that slug impact u.

[ 本帖最後由 sunny 於 25-2-2007 01:24 編輯 ]

作者: Henry 時間: 25-2-2007 01:57 標題: 回覆 #34 sunny 的帖子

well yah, exactly, i mean, according to US regulations (in their law books), you're not even supposed to shoot the .50BMG sniper rifles at people.. it's not considered an anti personnel weapon... thechnically

why would you want kevlar that'd stop a round designed to shoot through tanks? well, sure i'd like that too if it didn't weigh more than i did

作者: WAIKO01 時間: 27-2-2007 02:19

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原帖由 sunny 於 25-2-2007 01:23 發表

I think is pointless to make a body armor that can stop a .50 BMG. I think u will still get kill from the shock when that slug impact u.

話雖如此,但之前的報導指出龍鱗甲(Dragon Skin)的防破片和7.62的能力比現用中標的好(然而,現在伊拉克有很多受傷也是炸彈破片所至),但是基於成本和因為某些得益者的利益問題而被"幹掉了".

作者: neomarx 時間: 8-3-2007 22:38

whatever what are going to be purchased by the government, it is related to politics, and dirty $$

this is the first golden rule in govenment agencies.

作者: lorddh 時間: 14-3-2007 01:32

I agree too that it has to do with politics. This is the first piece of flexible Lv III armor I know of that is viable on the battlefield. Imagine the political pressure from the soldiers and their families and pesky politicians if PEO Solider or NATICK or whatever agency which is responsible admits that it is better than the interceptor. If I am Pointblank I will use whatever influence I have to delay or even derail the whole testing process on Dragon skin. In fact, the guy responsible for running the initial tests for the army also works as product manager for IBA.........

作者: 死肥仔 時間: 16-3-2007 12:38

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原帖由 cccarlos 於 25-2-2007 00:07 發表
sorry for my nonsense but...
what is gn?

gn好似係火藥份量~
500gn=1安士

作者: 死肥仔 時間: 16-3-2007 12:44

佢係咪最好我唔知.....但係一定唔洗用個"suck"黎形容e件野......
7.62鋼心......係穿甲的........
如果咁都擋到.....真係有乜好講.....
我諗....真係打仗.......幾可會用鋼心打人.......
又或者咁講......邊有咁多人帶鋼心出去打.......

其實樓主睇完E段片....點會覺得龍皮唔好呢?!

作者: AJM 時間: 16-3-2007 21:07

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原帖由 死肥仔 於 16-3-2007 12:44 發表
佢係咪最好我唔知.....但係一定唔洗用個"suck"黎形容e件野......
7.62鋼心......係穿甲的........
如果咁都擋到.....真係有乜好講.....
我諗....真係打仗.......幾可會用鋼心打人.......
又或者咁 ...

唔係化..... 唔想同你討論。

不如打仗前大家講到明打幾大，唔打7.62鋼心囉。

[ 本帖最後由 AJM 於 16-3-2007 23:03 編輯 ]

作者: 死肥仔 時間: 17-3-2007 07:47

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原帖由 AJM 於 16-3-2007 21:07 發表

唔係化..... 唔想同你討論。

不如打仗前大家講到明打幾大，唔打7.62鋼心囉。

但係件龍皮鋼心都擋到啵.....咁有乜問題呢?!
只係好奇睇完果段片.....樓主會得出龍皮"sucks"e個結論.....

[ 本帖最後由死肥仔於 17-3-2007 07:48 編輯 ]

作者: AJM 時間: 17-3-2007 15:15

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原帖由 死肥仔 於 17-3-2007 07:47 發表

但係件龍皮鋼心都擋到啵.....咁有乜問題呢?!
只係好奇睇完果段片.....樓主會得出龍皮"sucks"e個結論.....

死肥仔，你睇番我上面出啲posts啦.... |)

Sucks又好，fxxk又好，始終就係無NIJ Level IV standard certificate, 隔籬台都有討論。

[ 本帖最後由 AJM 於 17-3-2007 15:22 編輯 ]

作者: uckelvin 時間: 18-3-2007 04:41

Ha ~

作者: 死肥仔 時間: 19-3-2007 12:30

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原帖由 AJM 於 17-3-2007 15:15 發表

死肥仔，你睇番我上面出啲posts啦.... |)

Sucks又好，fxxk又好，始終就係無NIJ Level IV standard certificate, 隔籬台都有討論。

有睇呀~只係唔明段片不斷唱好~但係你個題目就話佢SUCKS....好似唔係咁岩...哈

作者: AJM 時間: 19-3-2007 13:48

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原帖由 死肥仔 於 19-3-2007 12:30 發表

有睇呀~只係唔明段片不斷唱好~但係你個題目就話佢SUCKS....好似唔係咁岩...哈

呢啲咪就係見解同睇法囉！

條片話正好正常，賣花一定讚花香。

作者: Henry 時間: 19-3-2007 15:13

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原帖由 死肥仔 於 16-3-2007 12:38 發表

gn好似係火藥份量~
500gn=1安士

yeah, it's used to measure the weight of the powder and the bullet
you have to get pretty precise when you're doing precision shooting. bullet deviations have to be less than .1grain sometimes

作者: -l- 時間: 19-3-2007 19:52

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原帖由 死肥仔 於 16-3-2007 12:44 發表
佢係咪最好我唔知.....但係一定唔洗用個"suck"黎形容e件野......
7.62鋼心......係穿甲的........
如果咁都擋到.....真係有乜好講.....
我諗....真係打仗.......幾可會用鋼心打人.......
又或者咁 ...

阿蓋達成員成員d AK就係用black tip的

Armour Piercing Type B-30. This was a boat-tailed bullet 36.2 mm. long and weighing 170 grains with a hard steel core. The bullet was identified by a black tip.

作者: AJM 時間: 19-3-2007 22:08

QUOTE FROM WGY by raidtoraid

It is because the S.F. has lack of confidence on Dragonskin. Nothing to do with the politics.

When Pinnacle Armor first launched the Dragonskin body armour in the market, they didn't even have any test certificates approved by the National Institute of Justice (aka NIJ test reports). I believe Pinnacle Armor received the NIJ Level III test certificate not long ago, they didn't even have a NIJ Level IV certificate for their Level IV body armour until now. How would the U.S. Special Forces be interested to try a body armour without NIJ approval?????

As far as we know, most U.S. Special Forces are using NIJ Level IV body armour for their operations, therefore Dragonskin didn't meet their basic requirements.

Correct me if I am wrong.

作者: 死肥仔 時間: 19-3-2007 22:58

但係片入面佢又真係擋到鋼心啵~雖然唔係零距離~~

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