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作者: Predator 時間: 31-8-2009 17:16 標題: 有關自砌WA系GBB M4 問題

未玩過WA系GBB M4, 所以有一D問題要各位大大指點.

已有零件:
KA 金身
外管及Delta Ring
RA Tech NPAS Complete Bolt
Grip, Buffer Tube (包括Recoil Spring等等) 及 Stock
前骨, 準星, Selector, Bolt Release制

請問各師兄, 金身Mag Release及內部PARTS有冇得另買? 仲欠咩PARTS?

謝謝解答.

作者: noveske 時間: 31-8-2009 17:38

Yes, they sell those parts seperately. Lower receiver part you can buy from Prime as a set (~$1400).

You also need: Hop-up chamber, Inner barrel

作者: ayaka 時間: 31-8-2009 17:40

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原帖由 Predator 於 31-8-2009 17:16 發表
未玩過WA系GBB M4, 所以有一D問題要各位大大指點.

已有零件:
KA 金身
外管及Delta Ring
RA Tech NPAS Complete Bolt
Grip, Buffer Tube (包括Recoil Spring等等) 及 Stock
前骨, 準星, Selector, Bolt Relea ...

好多野都無wor....trigger都未有

作者: Predator 時間: 31-8-2009 17:58

Is it a good idea to buy a Jing Gong or AGM back and remove the inside parts?

作者: noveske 時間: 31-8-2009 18:18

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原帖由 Predator 於 31-8-2009 17:58 發表
Is it a good idea to buy a Jing Gong or AGM back and remove the inside parts?

AGM GBB parts are very poorly made. If you are going to 自砌, you might as well spend more. But again, depends on your budget.

你有要靚有要平沒有辦法 wor...

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作者: Predator 時間: 31-8-2009 18:39

C-hing, seems the gun you are selling now is good, but I don't like the outlook. Otherwise I'll buy it.

作者: noveske 時間: 1-9-2009 00:19

Which one?

作者: Predator 時間: 1-9-2009 00:38

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原帖由 noveske 於 1-9-2009 00:19 發表
Which one?

井勝果枝唔係你嘅咩?

作者: Castlevania 時間: 1-9-2009 00:53

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原帖由 noveske 於 31-8-2009 18:18 發表

AGM GBB parts are very poorly made. If you are going to 自砌, you might as well spend more. But again, depends on your budget.

你有要靚有要平沒有辦法 wor...

我絕對認同你個句~{要靚有要平沒有辦法 wor}

睇你咩要求啦~
要靚就一定貴嫁啦~
好難兩全其美~

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作者: Predator 時間: 1-9-2009 00:57

扒完文, 上網睇完料, 真係覺得WA系統好玩D, 唔講WA同WE個BOLT問題, 只講外觀同配件, WA系真係多好多野玩.

作者: Castlevania 時間: 1-9-2009 01:00

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原帖由 Predator 於 1-9-2009 00:57 發表
扒完文, 上網睇完料, 真係覺得WA系統好玩D, 唔講WA同WE個BOLT問題, 只講外觀同配件, WA系真係多好多野玩.

當然啦~又其是prime出的身~

請加入WA system吧~

作者: Predator 時間: 1-9-2009 01:10

我都想, 但等我放左枝WE先....

BTW, 師兄, 請恕小弟才疏學淺, PRIME身同GP及KA身比較除左係咪CNC外, 有咩主要分別呢?

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作者: jpg 時間: 1-9-2009 06:14

prime 係真數身, 而gp 同ka 係玩具數, 講緊尺寸啦, 同埋上前節既牙. prime 身唔駛改可以上真品前節, 而gp, ka 就要改牙. 仲有ka 有度做得冇咁好係, ka 既barrel extension 係同個金身一體啦.

作者: Predator 時間: 1-9-2009 07:10

即係玩得PRIME就準備要裝真骨啦.... 尼次大劑... 破硬財...

另外, 請問barrel extension 係乜東東, 有咩用?

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作者: gainax 時間: 1-9-2009 08:34

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原帖由 Predator 於 1-9-2009 07:10 發表
即係玩得PRIME就準備要裝真骨啦.... 尼次大劑... 破硬財...

另外, 請問barrel extension 係乜東東, 有咩用?

唔一定,睇錢做人啦
Barrel Extension
http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/sho ... C-WAM4012_cat_Prime Other Parts

作者: Predator 時間: 1-9-2009 09:31

Ok, except Prime is mady by CNC, 真數身 and the barrel extension, is there any big difference?

作者: 紗夢 時間: 1-9-2009 09:33

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原帖由 Predator 於 1-9-2009 09:31 發表
Ok, except Prime is mady by CNC, 真數身 and the barrel extension, is there any big difference?

barrel extension, Prime同gp果d無唔同伽~~
係ka將佢地一體化左

作者: Predator 時間: 1-9-2009 09:37

Understood, thanks c hing

作者: lhlui 時間: 1-9-2009 10:43

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原帖由 Predator 於 1-9-2009 09:31 發表
Ok, except Prime is mady by CNC, 真數身 and the barrel extension, is there any big difference?

材料, 表面處理, qc, etc.....
間單來說, 除了都是 for WA 用, 有部份 marking 相同,
其它的都沒有甚麼是相同的.

作者: noveske 時間: 1-9-2009 11:02

Prime and Inokatsu's body is also different dimensions to the G&P/WA body. The upper receiver is longer on the Prime/Inokatsu body and uses a longer bolt carrier. You can use the WA/G&P Bolt carrier with an extention on the back, but if you do not set this properly, you will kill your buffer lock.

作者: rho837 時間: 1-9-2009 12:22

To save money, better just buy a @GM GBB M4 straight away! With little modification enhancing the gun you get the most out of it.

Otherwise, get INO or PRIME and put every expensive parts at once this also save hips as you don't need to change any big things in the future at all.

作者: derek 時間: 1-9-2009 14:20 標題: 回覆 21# 的帖子

yea
INO had a new 2009 version

作者: Castlevania 時間: 1-9-2009 14:25

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原帖由 derek 於 1-9-2009 14:20 發表
yea
INO had a new 2009 version

不過........INO前科好大陰影~
http://www.arms-cool.net/forum/thread-42615-1-1.html

作者: noveske 時間: 1-9-2009 14:39

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原帖由 Castlevania 於 1-9-2009 14:25 發表

不過........INO前科好大陰影~
http://www.arms-cool.net/forum/thread-42615-1-1.html

Ino is actually very well made with many steel parts.  Out of the box I also had many problems, but once fixed, it runs excellent.  On mine, I changed:

1. Hop-up chamber
2. RA-Tech NPAS/Steel Bolt
3. Fixed upper/lower receiver wobble/movement (搖動).

All lower receiver parts/buffer parts original and are very well made.  Mine was 2nd generation.  I heard 1st generation was worse.

I heard the 2009 version is the same thing except RA-Tech replaced some parts and tuned it.  But the price is $$$$$$$$$$!!!!! HKD8500-9XXX?

作者: rho837 時間: 1-9-2009 17:28

Saw the Youtube clip regarding the new INO GBB M4! This time the upper receivers finally made inaccordance with real steel external shape dimensions.

Interesting a lot of people are WA GBB system fans, I've both WA and WE type GBB, infact I found WE gas regulated system are simple and better(exclude 仿真度...), except the quality of the body and magazines are weak and air-leaking sure!

Actually, which system you like most?

作者: lhlui 時間: 1-9-2009 17:45 標題: 回覆 25# 的帖子

玩 GBB 就是要像真, 玩個不像真的系統, 不如玩返電槍.

作者: noveske 時間: 1-9-2009 17:50

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原帖由 lhlui 於 1-9-2009 17:45 發表
玩 GBB 就是要像真, 玩個不像真的系統, 不如玩返電槍.

Agree. WA/Prime/Ino system.

作者: Predator 時間: 1-9-2009 18:23

So, INO is more or less same as Prime, using real steel measurement? So interesting, better than PTW.

作者: jpg 時間: 1-9-2009 18:27

PTW is AEG, While INO is GBB, it is so hard to compare two different guns. I think the finish of INO is more realistic than Prime finish.

作者: Predator 時間: 1-9-2009 18:35

I understand INO or Prime is good.

However my concern is I'm the kind of people loving "one chicken many styles"

I like to shift different upper receiver sets on top of same lover set.

In this case, if using the expensive sets (for me which is expensive), this will kill me.

That's why I opened a thread to ask all experts here, and try to get advises on making of my gun.

作者: Castlevania 時間: 1-9-2009 18:48

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原帖由 jpg 於 1-9-2009 18:27 發表
PTW is AEG, While INO is GBB, it is so hard to compare two different guns. I think the finish of INO is more realistic than Prime finish.

其實我睇緊多個POST發現~~
~INO玩軍用版好D,因為表面處理比較粗糙接觸真槍.
~PRIME玩民用版好,因為佢出D野比較細緻細膩,表面處理好靚,適合玩民用槍.(注意:表面處理通常民用做得靚過軍用)
大家可以睇睇呢個網參考下~
玩民用槍款就一定係prime最好嫁啦~
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/index.php?gallery=.

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作者: ayaka 時間: 1-9-2009 22:13 標題: 回覆 31# 的帖子

睇E個網同索k一樣.....

作者: 101airbrone 時間: 1-9-2009 22:25 標題: 回覆 31# 的帖子

very good web side!! thankyou

作者: rho837 時間: 1-9-2009 23:29

Currently, I've fitted a used PRIME GBB upper into an INOKATSU GBB lower, the job has done and now dismental the upper and lower for acid de-blueing and found out the INOKATSU GBB lower are exactly made inaccordanced with Mil-spec standard, an existing layer of hard oxide anodised to receive final layers of anodised blueing (after acid cleaning), because of that hard layer I've to spend extra for sand-blasting for both upper and lower receivers to achieve uniform surface texture to match the colour for re-anodizing, and the re-blue of the outer barrel and fittings as well. Only these small steps took additional 2K, but the final outcome should be good. This gun definitely look original INO M4 and definitely for indoor only. The second INO GBB M4 will fit another new PRIME upper and this time will play those so-called private security or personal defence weapons whatsoever style......

My next project is to build the most (actually reasonable) robust WE GBB for outdoor game. Seem it has the CO2 mags, the proposed PRIME body will be available in due course, and will custom machining a one-piece 6061 steel barrel (maybe aluminium barrel instead), will try to black dye the copper sleeve and as many imported gadgets as possible. Got the MK18 DD rails, ergo grip, magpul trigger guard, Troy BUS ....... hope will have time to finish it.

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作者: Predator 時間: 2-9-2009 00:16

thanks all of you for professional advises. I know what I want now. Thanks again

作者: Castlevania 時間: 2-9-2009 00:25

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原帖由 Predator 於 2-9-2009 00:16 發表
thanks all of you for professional advises. I know what I want now. Thanks again

慢慢考慮買邊隻,唔好急於一時,如果唔係會買左好多無謂野番黎,到時就晒左錢嫁啦~
記住慢慢黎,諗清楚自己個要求係咩,唔好急.
最緊要睇多D前人做過GE野,吸收佢地的exp.

作者: noveske 時間: 2-9-2009 00:43

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原帖由 rho837 於 1-9-2009 23:29 發表
Currently, I've fitted a used PRIME GBB upper into an INOKATSU GBB lower, the job has done and now dismental the upper and lower for acid de-blueing and found out the INOKATSU GBB lower are exactly ma ...

Yee? C-Hing? Did I sell you that Prime Upper? How is your project? Any pictures?

作者: Predator 時間: 2-9-2009 02:43

seems I have a WE with customs logo, it can be considered as civilian version (although bolt is x!! )

now I should consider WA system in Mil type.

作者: jpg 時間: 2-9-2009 05:03

ino 既刻印真係正同冇朋友, 我自己覺得既刻印比prime 有過之而無不及. Castlevania兄講得冇錯, prime 似民用版既AR. 不過如果接觸過真既民用AR 其實都冇prime 做得咁靚. BTW, it is amazing that INO finish their receiver by mil-spec anodized. "rho837" Thanks for sharing.

作者: Kane 時間: 2-9-2009 05:12

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原帖由 jpg 於 2-9-2009 05:03 發表
ino 既刻印真係正同冇朋友, 我自己覺得既刻印比prime 有過之而無不及. Castlevania兄講得冇錯, prime 似民用版既AR. 不過如果接觸過真既民用AR 其實都冇prime 做得咁靚. BTW, it is amazing that INO finish their r ...

吾生見識小,紅圈是什麼?

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作者: gainax 時間: 2-9-2009 09:17

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原帖由 Kane 於 2-9-2009 05:12 發表

吾生見識小,紅圈是什麼?

臨門差一刀
很快有第二版

作者: Predator 時間: 2-9-2009 09:25 標題: 回覆 34# 的帖子

why c-hing said "This gun definitely look original INO M4 and definitely for indoor only."?

作者: red_ant_tony 時間: 2-9-2009 09:57

I definitely believe that the WA system is far more realistic than the WE system and I have spent more that 10K on it. But.....the system suffers from a fatal problem......lack of a good mag. The original WA mag turns out to be the best but it is nowhere to be seen. Bomber......lack of power. GHK......a fitting problem. AGM.......very leaky. Anybody got a better idea on how to tackle the issue? Maybe modification on an existing available mag?

作者: noveske 時間: 2-9-2009 10:42

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原帖由 Predator 於 2-9-2009 09:25 發表
why c-hing said "This gun definitely look original INO M4 and definitely for indoor only."?

I believe he was referring to the fact he used a Prime upper receiver (which has a different finish) on to his Ino lower. What he did was refinished the upper to match the finish of the lower receiver. Indoor meaning he won't bring it out to play I suppose.

作者: noveske 時間: 2-9-2009 10:44

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原帖由 red_ant_tony 於 2-9-2009 09:57 發表
I definitely believe that the WA system is far more realistic than the WE system and I have spent more that 10K on it. But.....the system suffers from a fatal problem......lack of a good mag. The orig ...

Wait for PGC and hope for the best?

作者: jpg 時間: 2-9-2009 11:45

Everyone is waiting for PGC, hope all is well. Btw, I heard something that GHK is modifying the 1st version of their mags and planning to release a new version. Is this true or not? Everyone heard anything about it?

作者: noveske 時間: 2-9-2009 12:01

Does anyone have confirmed facts about the 2009 Inokatsu M4? I heard they sold the line to RA-Tech. From the website... looks no different than the old one. Looks like the only difference is the fixed upper/lower fit. Price: USD 890!!

They also have the "tuned" version by RA-Tech which looks like they will include: RA-Tech Bolt/NPAS, barrel and hop-up chamber. But selling for USD1050? Wow.. even more $$$!!

[ 本帖最後由 noveske 於 2-9-2009 17:18 編輯 ]

作者: rho837 時間: 2-9-2009 15:52

Noveske CHing, AH AH AH Its your PRIME upper definitely, so far its ok and once I got it done I'll post the photos. Also, thanks for explaining. Also, saw in Youtube the new Inokatsu RA-Tech verison have the revised upper dimensions which is equal to real M4 upper external dimension (In other words its a Taiwan made Prime body)

講真派仔同井勝個M4上下身真係在氣槍界為頂級(分分鐘貴過係美國本地買啲真上下身), 贊同派仔身面皮靚過好多名牌真槍身, 又自已做左豬仔用工業酸strip井勝套身然後發現有Mil-Spec. anodize treatment (another words Acid-Proof)同應該係7075-T6合金因為啲藥水當食到呢層就停止左! 如果普通鋁合金身以經唔見左lu!

所以玩WA GBB M4 System! 不防考慮買套派仔身先致再買其他料!

睇吓呢件(名牌美佬出品Si-Defence)下身就係由CNC車出來又造足啲表面處理(超正)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1ZQlxW4UAQ

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作者: Predator 時間: 2-9-2009 16:06

想問下INO有冇淨槍身賣架?

作者: rho837 時間: 2-9-2009 16:09

有!不過我未見過本港有人出售!

不過現在啲井勝太貴! 其實伍仟元全支槍賣過時喉, 係owner都知啲"料"好"正"係超直!

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作者: Predator 時間: 2-9-2009 16:24

我想玩一雞幾味....

作者: rho837 時間: 2-9-2009 16:28

要好多$$$$$$$! 慢慢來造一支先啦!

作者: noveske 時間: 2-9-2009 16:44

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原帖由 Predator 於 2-9-2009 16:06 發表
想問下INO有冇淨槍身賣架?

I heard Ino is now owned by RA-Tech, and before they said they were to release many products including their bodies & steel barrels seperately, etc. etc. But no one has seen anything anywhere. Maybe just "all talk". My friend in Taiwan said they don't have it there either! I emailed Ino before to ask about replacement parts and got no reply. So don't have any high hopes that you will be able to find their parts seperately.

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作者: Predator 時間: 2-9-2009 16:53

thank you so much for your help on my questions

作者: jpg 時間: 2-9-2009 18:56

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原帖由 noveske 於 2-9-2009 16:44 發表

I heard Ino is now owned by RA-Tech, and before they said they were to release many products including their bodies & steel barrels seperately, etc. etc. But no one has seen anything anywhere. M ...

之前仲聽到ino 會出金身比wa, 但係好似咁耐都冇麥風聲咁. 如果有淨金身比wa, 都不妨買返過. ino既finish 真係好鬼吸引.

作者: Kane 時間: 2-9-2009 19:01

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原帖由 jpg 於 2-9-2009 18:56 發表

之前仲聽到ino 會出金身比wa, 但係好似咁耐都冇麥風聲咁. 如果有淨金身比wa, 都不妨買返過. ino既finish 真係好鬼吸引.

車多一刀先算吧

作者: Castlevania 時間: 2-9-2009 19:31

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原帖由 Kane 於 2-9-2009 19:01 發表

車多一刀先算吧

O~THX C兄提供如此有用資料~

買井勝野都係等多陣比較好~

作者: Castlevania 時間: 2-9-2009 19:56

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原帖由 Kane 於 2-9-2009 05:12 發表

吾生見識小,紅圈是什麼?

睇黎今次.........井勝..

[ 本帖最後由 Castlevania 於 2-9-2009 19:57 編輯 ]

作者: 桸藍 時間: 2-9-2009 22:17

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原帖由 noveske 於 1-9-2009 14:39 發表

Ino is actually very well made with many steel parts. Out of the box I also had many problems, but once fixed, it runs excellent. On mine, I changed:

1. Hop-up chamber
2. RA-Tech NPAS/Steel ...

USD $890 for pre-order

BUT I afraid that it will have 2009 VER. 2

作者: Kane 時間: 2-9-2009 23:38

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原帖由 Castlevania 於 2-9-2009 19:56 發表

睇黎今次.........井勝..

作者: Kane 時間: 2-9-2009 23:44

GP,PRIME 之COLT 字身
其上身無"C A"字樣也
唯獨井勝之COLT 字身
其上身有此字樣

作者: anglemok 時間: 2-9-2009 23:49

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原帖由 Kane 於 2-9-2009 23:38 發表

???姐係??????

作者: Castlevania 時間: 2-9-2009 23:51

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原帖由 Kane 於 2-9-2009 23:38 發表

唔修改???
佢真係唔改???
定係井勝發現了真機都可能會緊樣??
定係佢想陰人,再出另一ver再賺?

[ 本帖最後由 Castlevania 於 3-9-2009 14:05 編輯 ]

作者: Kane 時間: 2-9-2009 23:56

經典/軍用槍型者,如M4A1,SPR.....
吾生寄望VFC也
民用槍型者,如N4,MAGPUL
吾生則用PRIME 身也
井勝者,自號真數
為何井勝者身出現WA 身之模線
敗筆也

[ 本帖最後由 Kane 於 3-9-2009 05:47 編輯 ]

作者: Castlevania 時間: 2-9-2009 23:58

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原帖由 Kane 於 2-9-2009 23:56 發表
經典/槍用槍型者,如M4A1,SPR.....
吾生寄望VFC也
民用槍型者,如N4,MAGPUL
吾生則用PRIME 身也
井勝者,自號真數
為何井勝者身出現WA 身之模線
敗筆也

[民用槍型者,如N4,MAGPUL
吾生則用PRIME 身也]
小弟都係緊諗的~

不過都係睇下D用家report睇下井勝佢咩事先~

作者: Kane 時間: 3-9-2009 00:09

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原帖由 Castlevania 於 2-9-2009 23:58 發表

[民用槍型者,如N4,MAGPUL
吾生則用PRIME 身也]
小弟都係緊諗的~
不過都係睇下D用家report睇下井勝佢咩事先~

吾等無知,未曾接觸真鐵
可能GI M4 是這模樣

作者: noveske 時間: 3-9-2009 11:01

You mean only SOPMOD version? I think this is because it is all modified old stock from 2007-2008. Leftover stock... they did not produce any new versions...

[ 本帖最後由 noveske 於 3-9-2009 11:03 編輯 ]

作者: Predator 時間: 3-9-2009 13:32

睇到心大心細添.....

作者: Predator 時間: 3-9-2009 13:57 標題: 回覆 61# 的帖子

請問師兄所說的CA字樣是在那裡?

作者: noveske 時間: 3-9-2009 14:03

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原帖由 Predator 於 3-9-2009 13:57 發表
請問師兄所說的CA字樣是在那裡?

On upper receiver near upper rail & charging handle. Can post pic tonight

作者: anglemok 時間: 3-9-2009 14:04

其實我都想知井勝佢發生咩事,佢個BODY點解會多左條野......係唔係真槍都會有的??
有冇人能解釋到??/

[ 本帖最後由 anglemok 於 3-9-2009 16:41 編輯 ]

作者: Predator 時間: 3-9-2009 16:22

Maybe for reference only

作者: gainax 時間: 3-9-2009 20:03 標題: 回覆 71# 的帖子

製作果時整出黎,又冇修正番,
正常軍規M4A1都冇果條野, 網上d圖都睇唔到有,

可能抄錯野?

作者: Castlevania 時間: 5-9-2009 22:15

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原帖由 gainax 於 3-9-2009 20:03 發表
製作果時整出黎,又冇修正番,
正常軍規M4A1都冇果條野, 網上d圖都睇唔到有,
可能抄錯野?

嗯~~~抄錯野,睇落會變成一個大笑柄

不過佢出左貨未先??如果未出貨,都可能仲會修改~

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