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作者: timchung2007 時間: 26-1-2011 09:58 標題: KA m4 vs KSC mp7 vs WE G39

Which one should i choose? I can do more modification (possibly change it in to a DMR/SPR) on a M4, The G36 is cheaper and have 1 year warrenty while the MP7 looks good but no mags for it. I cant decide between these guns, the only thing that is preventing me from going g36 is that it has only 30 rd compare to the 50rd for a Wa gbb, is the 20 more round important?

作者: -l- 時間: 26-1-2011 10:20

MP7 (TW version) is durable, it also has a excellent performance straight out of the box. It has a high rate of fire (about 20 r/s) and qite accurate for such a small gun. My no.1 choice for CQB but it can also match GBB carbine on open field. However the downside is, if you are a big fan of "felt recoil" it's gonna disappoint you and some replacement part is hard to come by. I've heard that System7 MP9 also perform very well. I heavn't tested it personally but you may want to take a look at it too.

[ 本帖最後由 -l- 於 26-1-2011 10:24 編輯 ]

作者: victorlee48 時間: 26-1-2011 10:24

i will NOT choose we G39 for sure!
as for M4 and MP7, they are very different guns in terms of style and it really a personal preference
however you can be sure that the MP7 performs extremely well out of the box
very stable power and great fun shooting it

作者: F22 時間: 26-1-2011 10:38

我英文唔好用中文答............

咁啱呢三支我都有............

1.喜愛DMR/SPR就買KA M4,三支裏面後座力最大............我都改成SPR,全原裝只換條長管上次試過0.2珠打中50米外敵人~~

2.我支MP7係日版,打CQB一流,又準到離奇.............但後座力可以話冇

3.WE G36打就爽,係外觀差啲,原裝hop up膠唔好,要換.......

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作者: timchung2007 時間: 26-1-2011 17:55

Thanks for the information, but for the first GBB Rifle, should i go mp7 or m4? Is there that much of a difference between 30 and 50 rounds? You have to buy 2 WE mags for 1 PGC/WA mag, is 50 rd better? Is there MP7 mag in gun street (taiwan version)? What modification do i have to make to japan version mp7 to run top gas?

作者: Vindicator 時間: 26-1-2011 18:22

you use this gun for cqb or outdoor?
Because m4,g39c and mp7 are different
MP7 is a sub machine gun.
M4 and g39c are rifle
For CQB, mp7 is the more suitable.
For outdoor,of coz m4 and g39 are better

Ka M4:reliabe, easy to find parts and mag, but you need to DIY when you want to change some parts or repair
WE G39C:reliable, cheaper than ka m4, and WEs' gbb rifle have maintenance, you can the gun to 軍軍軍 When the gun or mag is out of order, but hop up has some problem
Sorry for my poor English......

[ 本帖最後由 Vindicator 於 26-1-2011 18:25 編輯 ]

作者: F22 時間: 26-1-2011 18:57

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原帖由 timchung2007 於 26-1-2011 17:55 發表
Thanks for the information, but for the first GBB Rifle, should i go mp7 or m4? Is there that much of a difference between 30 and 50 rounds? You have to buy 2 WE mags for 1 PGC/WA mag, is 50 rd better ...

首先我想問你打算用嚟過手引定落場砌先?
落場砌又打野外定室內呢?
有幾多資金?
作為入門槍以上呢三支都冇咩特別大問題,三支買晒囉.......

如果只想楝一支就考慮上面三個問題决定啦.......
30發同50發其實分別唔大,因為M4一般打到最後十發都腳軟,所以我打M4一般只入三十幾至四十發....
MP7有40發,入一次氣打到六十幾七十發,即可以返入,日版原裝已經打到top gas,唔使搞.....係彈匣成日冇貨嗰吓衰

WE G39系列(長中短出晒)有軍軍軍保養,唔想/識整都可以諗吓,但外觀冇M4咁多花臣野玩囉.......

作者: F22 時間: 26-1-2011 18:59

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原帖由 Vindicator 於 26-1-2011 18:22 發表
you use this gun for cqb or outdoor?
Because m4,g39c and mp7 are different
MP7 is a sub machine gun.
M4 and g39c are rifle
For CQB, mp7 is the more suitable.
For outdoor,of coz m4 and g39 are be ...

你個衰仔,我呢三支你都玩過兩支啦..............

作者: timchung2007 時間: 26-1-2011 21:09

Can a MP7 fully replace a pistol? I am planning on using it mostly outdoor with some CQB, but if a gbb go against AEG in cqb is it going to be a great disavantage? (providing my opponents is using crappy guns provided by the game site)

作者: victorlee48 時間: 26-1-2011 22:45

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原帖由 timchung2007 於 26-1-2011 21:09 發表
Can a MP7 fully replace a pistol? I am planning on using it mostly outdoor with some CQB, but if a gbb go against AEG in cqb is it going to be a great disavantage? (providing my opponents is using cra ...

i disagree, i always use my GBB M4 to play against AEGs
The only advantage of an AEG is that you have more bullets, and number of bullets means nothings if u cant shoot your target~~
GBB is a good simulation weapon, works just like real gun, you will get use to it eventually~!

btw, i would consider MP7 to be a replacement of carbine rather than a pistol

[ 本帖最後由 victorlee48 於 26-1-2011 22:47 編輯 ]

作者: Vindicator 時間: 26-1-2011 22:46

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原帖由 F22 於 26-1-2011 18:59 發表

你個衰仔,我呢三支你都玩過兩支啦..............

豬39都玩過

作者: Vindicator 時間: 26-1-2011 23:24

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原帖由 timchung2007 於 26-1-2011 21:09 發表
Can a MP7 fully replace a pistol? I am planning on using it mostly outdoor with some CQB, but if a gbb go against AEG in cqb is it going to be a great disavantage? (providing my opponents is using cra ...

NO
First mp7's size is bigger than a pistol even you compare with Desert Eagle or USP Match
Second mp7's barrel is longer than most of the pistol barrel(165MM)
============================================================================================
you ask whether a gbb go against AEG in cqb is it going to be a great disavantage
here is my some personal feeling
no matter you use what kind of gun
it is depend on your battlefield skill (how to hide yourself,how to follow a enemy....)
of coz, be honest, AEG has more bullet and the fps is faster
you may feel depressed when you face with AEG

but using GBB to kill a enemy is not a "mission impossible"
I have been played wargame with Member F22 2-3 times
although he use GBB rifle most of the time
he can kill a lot of enemies

[ 本帖最後由 Vindicator 於 26-1-2011 23:25 編輯 ]

作者: sing106 時間: 27-1-2011 01:01

我個人認為你選mp7啦，cqb 同街場都用得，買咗會係最唔後悔嗰支！

作者: victorlee48 時間: 27-1-2011 10:04

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原帖由 sing106 於 27-1-2011 01:01 發表
我個人認為你選mp7啦，cqb 同街場都用得，買咗會係最唔後悔嗰支！

幾時再整場GBB大戰呀~~

作者: rho837 時間: 27-1-2011 11:53

30 rounds and 50 rounds mags are nearly the same when playing! Buy more mags solve the problem! However, compare to 300 rounds of AEGs' mags you need to consider!

The captioned 3 guns are shooting 6mm BBs and not more than 2 joules power! The only difference are the length of the inner barrel and mag capacity, depend how much in your pocket could make you happy.

作者: F22 時間: 27-1-2011 17:01

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原帖由 timchung2007 於 26-1-2011 21:09 發表
Can a MP7 fully replace a pistol? I am planning on using it mostly outdoor with some CQB, but if a gbb go against AEG in cqb is it going to be a great disavantage? (providing my opponents is using cra ...

咁如果你夠高大威猛用MP7做手槍都唔係唔得,唔好睇佢咁細支,其實都好墜手吓............
我用佢打cqb都係當主槍用另加一支手槍.........對付AEG我唔覺有咩蝕底,打單發我覺得有利添,GBB比AEG反應快....
反正揸咩槍都好,對家都係咁既火力啦....最重要係打得中人啫..........

作者: F22 時間: 27-1-2011 18:17

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原帖由 rho837 於 27-1-2011 11:53 發表
30 rounds and 50 rounds mags are nearly the same when playing! Buy more mags solve the problem! However, compare to 300 rounds of AEGs' mags you need to consider!

The captioned 3 guns are shooting ...

點講呢.............話你啱又啱唔晒,錯又錯唔晒.........

作為唔過2 joules power玩具槍的確只有內管同彈數分別,但GBB唔似AEG咁簡單.........
AEG只要入電入彈扣扳機即可,不論MP5到M249都冇大分別,真係只有內管同彈數囉...........
但玩GBB仲要考慮操作性,可靠性,零件補給等等.........
以下評分只係個人意見:5分為滿

KA M4
操作性 : 5 (M4的確好揸,易用)
後座力 : 5 (WA糸统喎)
可靠性 : 4 (只要正確使用都幾可靠)
零件補給 : 5+(冇計,中港台日都有,爆燈........)
準確度 : 4 (可能我換咗長管啦,準得很)
氣化率 : 3-5 (視乎用咩匣,KA為3,prowin為5)
性價比 : 5 ($1700左右實在冇話可說,而且我係$1600買入)

KSC MP7
操作性 : 4 (短少精捍但幾墜手,啲制有啲刮手)
後座力 : 1 (只可以用震動形容)
可靠性 : 4 (只要正確使用都幾可靠)
零件補給 : 2(唔多,尤其彈匣經常無貨........)
準確度 : 4 (以呢個長度準得很)
氣化率 : 5+ (因為行程較短所以慳氣,能一口氣用連發清一匣)
性價比 : 3 (算貴,尤其彈匣難揾.......)

WE G39
操作性 : 3 (上膛捍唔好拉,bolt catch難按,尾托只有一個長度,槍型問題冇計)
後座力 : 3 (唔知點解,我覺得佢係好震,但冇M4嗰種向後撞感覺?)
可靠性 : 4 (暫時都未聽過有咩鑊氣,不過我隻匣有少少漏氣......)
零件補給 : 3 (交軍軍軍保養.........補品暫時只有RA,不過好貴........)
準確度 : 2 (原裝計可以話天女散花,換咗hop up膠做埋定管有少少改善)
氣化率 : 4 (隻匣夠大又只裝得30發,一匣清冇難度,可以比5分但包膠殼外皮較難回暖,扣返一分)
性價比 : 4 (千鬆又有保養算抵玩,暫時又只有佢有G36,係外觀唔多靚仔........)

作者: -l- 時間: 28-1-2011 00:32

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原帖由 timchung2007 於 26-1-2011 21:09 發表
Can a MP7 fully replace a pistol? I am planning on using it mostly outdoor with some CQB, but if a gbb go against AEG in cqb is it going to be a great disavantage? (providing my opponents is using cra ...

The major advantage of GBB over AEG in CQB is the reaction time, for a GBB it fire as soon as you squeeze the trigger. In the case of AEG after the trigger is pull, the is a small lag in time for the motor to pull the spring and piston. In CQB game where seconds is matter gbb is the way to go.

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原帖由 timchung2007 於 26-1-2011 17:55 發表
Thanks for the information, but for the first GBB Rifle, should i go mp7 or m4? Is there that much of a difference between 30 and 50 rounds? You have to buy 2 WE mags for 1 PGC/WA mag, is 50 rd better ...

MP7 will serve you well, for a JP version the only thing you MUST replace is the cylinder/loading muzzle which cost about 150. You you gonna upgrade the power a rocket valve and stiffer recoil spring is recommended both cost less than $100.

作者: -l- 時間: 28-1-2011 00:44

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原帖由 F22 於 26-1-2011 18:57 發表
MP7有40發,入一次氣打到六十幾七十發,即可以返入,日版原裝已經打到top gas,唔使搞.....係彈匣成日冇貨嗰吓衰

打到top gas不過會爆飛機

作者: F22 時間: 28-1-2011 07:17

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原帖由 -l- 於 28-1-2011 00:44 發表

打到top gas不過會爆飛機

可能我好手神,隻白飛機一出我買咗隻做後備,諗住打爆原裝先換,點知打咗六十幾匣都未爆.............

到飛機條彈弓仔甩咗壓爛,拆出嚟換彈弓先順手換埋白飛機,足足擺咗三個幾月............

隻原裝仲可以用...............

作者: timchung2007 時間: 28-1-2011 08:08

Thanks every one, my only concern with the mp7 is that i cant get spare parts/spare magazine, Is it going to be cheaper with building a wa m4 comparing to buy a stock KA M4?

作者: timchung2007 時間: 28-1-2011 08:13

Another question: Any one tried the dytac tracer for mp7?

作者: F22 時間: 28-1-2011 08:41

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原帖由 timchung2007 於 28-1-2011 08:08 發表
Thanks every one, my only concern with the mp7 is that i cant get spare parts/spare magazine, Is it going to be cheaper with building a wa m4 comparing to buy a stock KA M4?

我意見係:MP7有匣買先好考慮,或不彷留意二手...............
首選都係KA M4

作者: F22 時間: 28-1-2011 08:44

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原帖由 timchung2007 於 28-1-2011 08:13 發表
Another question: Any one tried the dytac tracer for mp7?

我有一支dytac tracer ,都幾光吓.........不過裝MP7就太重

作者: nishi 時間: 28-1-2011 10:17

支MP7真係準到嚇死人, 打CQB一流,
之前同班FD打, 佢地個頭凸左幾CM出黎都輕易係十米左右打中

作者: timchung2007 時間: 28-1-2011 16:29

Can you order mp7 mags from taiwan?

作者: lololo 時間: 29-1-2011 18:35

小弟都有新年換新鎗o既意慾,
事關自己支百烏歸巢prime身GBB令小弟十分失望,...
極想入支原裝鎗,乜都唔搞而表現穩定..((好天真的想法)

考慮緊呢幾支((VFC, KA, GHK PDW WE open bolt scar...))
VFC : 匣平, WG屍有保養?, 少review少topic, 未知表現如何....
KA : 平, 唔洗買過D匣 (小弟有6隻 prowin, 1隻Pmag, 1隻WA

)
GHK : WG屍有保養?唔洗買過D匣, 但fix hop-up, 出速有點低
Scar : 平, 有保養, 但D匣流氣問題嚴重....
其實MP7係好, 但parts同匣都比較難揾

有D難揀, 求ching們給點意見~

作者: victorlee48 時間: 29-1-2011 18:43

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原帖由 lololo 於 29-1-2011 18:35 發表
小弟都有新年換新鎗o既意慾,
事關自己支百烏歸巢prime身GBB令小弟十分失望,...
極想入支原裝鎗,乜都唔搞而表現穩定..((好天真的想法)

考慮緊呢幾支((VFC, KA, GHK PDW WE open bolt scar...))
VFC : 匣平, WG ...

i own both an inokatsu M4 and also a ksc MP7 taiwan version
if u want to 入支原裝鎗,乜都唔搞而表現穩定.....MP7 is definitely your choice~~

VERY VERY STABLE + NEVER NEVER JAM!!!

however, it is like shooting a automatic pistol, not much recoil power.

but i am sure u will like it~~~~~!!

作者: lololo 時間: 29-1-2011 18:52 標題: 回覆 28# 的帖子

thanks for your reply ~
I tried my friend`s mp7 , which is quite impressive!!
but again finding it`s mag is really .......hard...

作者: victorlee48 時間: 29-1-2011 18:58

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原帖由 lololo 於 29-1-2011 18:52 發表
thanks for your reply ~
I tried my friend`s mp7 , which is quite impressive!!
but again finding it`s mag is really .......hard...

need to wait wait, stock usually come every one or two months
just need some patience~~

作者: seamoncheng 時間: 29-1-2011 21:31

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原帖由 lololo 於 29-1-2011 18:35 發表
小弟都有新年換新鎗o既意慾,
事關自己支百烏歸巢prime身GBB令小弟十分失望,...
極想入支原裝鎗,乜都唔搞而表現穩定..((好天真的想法)

考慮緊呢幾支((VFC, KA, GHK PDW WE open bolt scar...))
VFC : 匣平, WG ...

買支KA玩啦...個價又抵
一買番黎已經玩得
KA最大問題都係佢d匣姐
你有咁多prowin匣已經無問題啦

作者: lololo 時間: 29-1-2011 21:36 標題: 回覆 31# 的帖子

多謝ching意見,
應該係KA, GHK PDW之間2選1了,
請問KA的Hop up 膠係咪特規呢??

作者: F22 時間: 30-1-2011 15:32

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原帖由 lololo 於 29-1-2011 21:36 發表
多謝ching意見,
應該係KA, GHK PDW之間2選1了,
請問KA的Hop up 膠係咪特規呢??

GHK PDW 用prowin匣要拆走valve lock,又用唔返去支prime度.........

都係KA啦.......件Hop up 膠係特規,用aeg管都唔會抄上天,彈導又直,係暫時冇散賣.......

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