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作者: dennislau1 時間: 23-7-2011 23:52 標題: VFC G36C

A brief open box of VFC's G36C:
First of all, some overall photos.

The overall gun is very light, and the plastic with the right kind of texture. Maybe during the cooling process the plastic shrink a bit, but it doesnt really matter to me at least, since real guns have that sort of marks all the time anyway (generally, i havnt touched a RS G36C anyway, they are so rare even photos are not many around). But it looks great and all the markings looks fine. every part is solid and nothing looks loose from the box.

The trigger somehow feels a little not too crisp, not like most WA m4 feel. It almost feel like a double action gun, and the trigger point is quite backwards. Once again never fired a G36C so cannot verify if this is also realistic.

The power of the gun is 1.4xJ first shot to 1.1xJ to last shot. Mags are only 30 rounds or so, and it cleared the 30 rounds with one charge of gas at single shot.

Hopup seems ok with 2 point hopup. Test accuracy later.

The 6mm BB cal marking.

Didnt bother me really. Because the overall quality of this G36C looks so "German" to me, I am willing to overlook this not so accurate marking. You will have it in all Uramex gun anyway. Either you buy and live with it or not, your choice.

However, some potential problematic area of the internal mechanism.
1) Metal meshed with plastic, with only pins connecting. If a BB jams, the stronger metal may cause the plastic to deform or break. Perhaps VFC can later produce a plastic version of the bolt head?

2) Bolt lock only catches a small area of the bolt, which after uses the bolt itself may deform. We will see in time if this happens.

3)Finally, the end plate. This is where all the blow back takes hit, but VFC have only designed the blow back force to be taken by an insert on top, and the takedown pin below. 2 points of contact only. Also a bit worrying, but if the plastic is good enough it should be ok otherwise this is suspect able to crack.

Overall I give this gun 90 marks. -5 due to mags are only 30 rounds. -5 due to strange trigger feel.

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作者: HUNK 時間: 24-7-2011 00:08

對此開箱文表示支持!

本人研究過WE G39C, 比較之下:

l).WE G39C Bolt lock 比VFC G36C更細,
2).end plate跟VFC G36C的一樣只有兩點,

WE G39C這兩點卻沒有問題, 相信VFC G36C也同樣問題不大。

作者: kei_2000s 時間: 24-7-2011 02:30

好多問題...
1. 支鎗入面d 膠碎多到你估唔到.
2. 個裝飾 bolt 有2粒機米, 不過用螺絲膠黏死左. shxt!!!.
3. Bolt 氣筒同個 o-ring 夾得好實, bolt carrier 個孔啤出黎有出模角, 但係又唔執番好佢. 真係要打先拉到出黎. 執到傻左.
4. Bolt 旁邊塊片仔入面 (同 bolt 磨擦果個面個頂針位有披峰. 唔怪得有咁多膠碎啦.
5. 彈夾實到嘔. 上夾時要暴力. 但長久用暴力係解決唔到問題既.
6. 鎗管要另外工具先拆到. 所以暫時不能分解. 不過佢個設計攪到有咩軍事機密咁.
7. hop up 制超實. hop up 似乎調唔到 (無反應).
8. Folding stock 個制超更, 真係比外國人先"禁"到落去. 就算 cut 左兩圈彈弓仍然好硬, 不過好過無啦.

總括來講, 執到嘔血.
唯一安慰既係 SEF trigger group, 外表都仲 ok, 不過內裹攪嘜鬼仍然係個迷!!!!

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作者: 資源回收筒=人= 時間: 24-7-2011 02:48

隻匣好似幾肉下

作者: chautatming 時間: 24-7-2011 03:09

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原帖由 kei_2000s 於 24-7-2011 02:30 發表
好多問題...
1. 支鎗入面d 膠碎多到你估唔到.
2. 個裝飾 bolt 有2粒機米, 不過用螺絲膠黏死左. shxt!!!.
3. Bolt 氣筒同個 o-ring 夾得好實, bolt carrier 個孔啤出黎有出模角, 但係又唔執番好佢. 真係要打先拉到 ...

我今日去wgc到都試左拎下...插匣,蚊匣...摺托...都好困難=.=" aeg仲簡單得多~...真係希望改善下

作者: kei_2000s 時間: 24-7-2011 10:11

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原帖由 chautatming 於 24-7-2011 03:09 發表

我今日去wgc到都試左拎下...插匣,蚊匣...摺托...都好困難=.=" aeg仲簡單得多~...真係希望改善下

佢應該暫時改善唔到, 因為個身係一整件來, 唔似電鎗左右夾埋. 套模個位做細左, 除非換鑲件(佢應該唔會咁做) 或者d 夾做番細d.
趕時間係咁架啦, 不過d 問題多得太離譜, 同埋d唔應該有既都出埋黎, 所以V記唔係好掂!!!

作者: dennislau1 時間: 24-7-2011 11:36 標題: 回覆 3# 的帖子

Dear Ching,
1. 支鎗入面d 膠碎多到你估唔到. <- new guns are like that. Either plastic bits or metal powder, one way or another. Clean it often.
2. 個裝飾 bolt 有2粒機米, 不過用螺絲膠黏死左. shxt!!!. <- I dont see problem in that at all. If it is loosen, then it is SHIT. Dont take it down without knowing what you are doing.
3. Bolt 氣筒同個 o-ring 夾得好實, bolt carrier 個孔啤出黎有出模角, 但係又唔執番好佢. 真係要打先拉到出黎. 執到傻左. <- Yes it is 實, but shoots ok without problem. 孔啤出黎有出模角, I saw it in mine too, but since it is plastic and not yet damaged i think it is ok. All my WA guns have problem with this anyway.
4. Bolt 旁邊塊片仔入面 (同 bolt 磨擦果個面個頂針位有披峰. 唔怪得有咁多膠碎啦. <- mine just a little bit 披峰. Strongly suggest to smoothen it DIY though.
5. 彈夾實到嘔. 上夾時要暴力. 但長久用暴力係解決唔到問題既. <- I insert and remove the mag for 20 times and it is normal now. But bolt lock first before you do that.
6. 鎗管要另外工具先拆到. 所以暫時不能分解. 不過佢個設計攪到有咩軍事機密咁. <-why you need to remove it?
7. hop up 制超實. hop up 似乎調唔到 (無反應). <- A firm hopup is better than loose hopup! I agree the range of adjustment seems small but i have not tested it yet too.
8. Folding stock 個制超更, 真係比外國人先"禁"到落去. 就算 cut 左兩圈彈弓仍然好硬, 不過好過無啦. <-Once again nothing wrong with this. Use two fingers. I almost twisted my thumb trying to fold it, but still i like it firm than loose.

總括來講, 執到嘔血. <- Disagree, nothing really worth 執 at all except for the bolt head guide maybe. It shoots out of box fine.

作者: dennislau1 時間: 24-7-2011 11:40 標題: 回覆 4# 的帖子

Disagree. This is one of the best looking GBB mags in the market.

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作者: dennislau1 時間: 24-7-2011 11:45 標題: 回覆 2# 的帖子

Well only time will tell i think. I hope it last too cause i spend my hard earn $$ to buy this beauty!

作者: 桸藍 時間: 24-7-2011 11:48 標題: 回覆 4# 的帖子

唔會喎, 個INNER GAS TAN 整得好正

作者: RX7 時間: 24-7-2011 12:02

到港了嗎?

作者: Vindicator 時間: 24-7-2011 12:03

金屬飛機…又死快d…

作者: lololo 時間: 24-7-2011 12:08

new guns are like that. Either plastic bits or metal powder, one way or another. Clean it often. <---DISAGREE 起碼我支Umarez MP7,TM Glock 18C, 就算當年支膠身WA M4 也沒有..

作者: carl 時間: 24-7-2011 16:25

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原帖由 Vindicator 於 24-7-2011 12:03 發表
金屬飛機…又死快d…

飛機係膠的, 只係槍機頭係金屬.

作者: dennislau1 時間: 24-7-2011 18:15

Ok. Today is Sunday, so i decided to run a little test on the gun. Push it a little bit see what it is capable of.

I shot 10 rounds of full mag and see how the internal parts wears out. Before the test i wasnt too worried. After it i think it performed better than I think. 10 full mags, 5 mags single shot and 5 mags auto shots. Even at full auto there was no problem to clear mag with 6 secs of gas charging.

But there are some issues with the mag design itself as far as i can see. The major operation issue is that it needs time to "warm up" again after each use. AT least 5 mins i say between reloads. Common problem for plastic warped mags. Today is 33C outside and it still takes that much time for the mag to re-warm.

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作者: combatfung 時間: 24-7-2011 18:19

i get it yesterday , and i seem is ok to me , is really nice to play with this G36C at the price not over $2000, any ching know the price of the other trigger group , my one is SEF style

作者: dennislau1 時間: 24-7-2011 18:22

Onto parts wear. To my relieve, after 11 lock bolts or so, it still worked fine. No serious deform is noted.

No major scratches or deforms on the bolt carrier is also seen. I think the forces are distributed out quite evenly.

And to my relieve, the rear end did not have any signs of fatigue or cracks. So i guess it can sustain some punish afterall.

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作者: dennislau1 時間: 24-7-2011 18:25

I do not have a problem with the bolt guide, now i take it apart.

Bolt and bolt carrier does not show signs of heavy wear and tear. But i still dont like the metal meshed with plastic concept, although it seems to work fine regardless.

Trigger group also didnt seem to be worn out at all. I think VFC did a great job on the trigger and lower receiver design. Unlike their M4 series.

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作者: dennislau1 時間: 24-7-2011 18:32

Finally on the grouping.
This is done on standing position, 9 yards = 8.23m, indoor windless. 0.25g G&G BB. Power measured at 1.4J first shot.
Grouping is 55mm. With prone or bipods this is easily be halved i think. Accurate as hell is what i think.

After getting use to the trigger, I think it wasnt all that bad at all. Just different from M4 and not unacceptable.

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作者: dennislau1 時間: 24-7-2011 18:34

And i think this is it. Hope you guys enjoy. I am only a user afterall.

Final verdict and score on this VFC G36C: Great price to value ratio. Though they can make slight changes to the mag to make it perfect.
Final score after use: 90 (-10 for mags)

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作者: dennislau1 時間: 24-7-2011 19:01

Cleaning Tissue after 12 mags

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作者: kei_2000s 時間: 24-7-2011 23:38 標題: 回覆 7# 的帖子

師兄你認為果d問題都唔係問題, 咁無問題 law!!!

good luck then!!

作者: eyrenuest 時間: 1-8-2011 13:07

I take some of the parts out of the gun except the bolt, I am not sure if all the 膠碎 is in the bolt, i only find 2 膠碎 in the gun, for the Folding stock 個制, mine is not so firm, but not so easy to press it, so that is ok for me.
The problem I faced is that I need to use 暴力 to insert the pins back to the gun when I change the 2 round burst handle.

作者: eyrenuest 時間: 1-8-2011 13:08

Why the direction of the pins are different from mine?

作者: dennislau1 時間: 1-8-2011 16:15

eyrenuest Ching, I dont know, i just insert the head from right to left when i re-assembled it.

Also I have found a rather annoying fact about the G36C mags. I can only insert 20-25 rounds into the mags, regardless what 'position' of inserting the BB.

I have emailed VFC but they just said i should follow the instruction and have no further follow up. Have anyone experiences this as well?

作者: dennislau1 時間: 1-8-2011 16:16

I will also be very interested to see how the 'double tap' trigger group will work. Very tempted to get it

作者: eyrenuest 時間: 2-8-2011 10:45 標題: 回覆 25# 的帖子

Thanks for your reply
Is it normal that after the gun has locked bolt, the only way I can let the bolt release is to take the mag out first?

作者: dennislau1 時間: 2-8-2011 20:59 標題: 回覆 27# 的帖子

Normal should be able to release bolt when pull back the charging handle!

作者: MG-42 時間: 18-9-2011 23:24

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作者: kei_2000s 時間: 18-9-2011 23:42 標題: 回覆 29# 的帖子

d 野唔係話價錢低就可以亂黎既. 買得出街既野, 應該要執好d 囉. 我覺得佢仲有好多野要改善姐. 廠商當然可以唔理客戶既意見啦. 日子有功, 何來有進步呢??

作者: dennislau1 時間: 19-9-2011 00:27 標題: 回覆 30# 的帖子

講真,進步空問係有, 但本身的質素已經是市場上頗高的一枝槍. 我個Friend 果枝WE, 唔執根本下唔到場..

作者: rik-rok 時間: 19-9-2011 10:59

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原帖由 kei_2000s 於 18-9-2011 23:42 發表
d 野唔係話價錢低就可以亂黎既. 買得出街既野, 應該要執好d 囉. 我覺得佢仲有好多野要改善姐. 廠商當然可以唔理客戶既意見啦. 日子有功, 何來有進步呢??

依支野用依果價錢，有依種外觀，可以接受。
內部結構問題不大，只係有老問題，彈匣漏氣和彈道有小小偏右。
汁小小已經可以落得場，耐用方面，暫時好似好過MP5。

客觀d睇，已經有幾多地方落左心機，
仿真bolt外形，仿真拆法，假子彈，
hopup膠用兩點式(效果唔知好唔好)等。

作者: dennislau1 時間: 22-9-2011 12:27

彈匣漏氣我尚未有時間去修復. 我反而認為入BB子彈數量不足是一個大問題. 寫明入30粒, 但事實上只能入23-24粒, 是有一點點的欺騙成分.

另外hopup 調整小零件要設計到應該是可拆卸, 否則裡面有parts損壞無法更換的.

但總體來說，我認為這是一個比VXC MP5 更好的設計, 我的一些朋友還可以使用下場, 算OK

作者: brian98411 時間: 22-9-2011 12:38

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原帖由 dennislau1 於 22-9-2011 12:27 發表
彈匣漏氣我尚未有時間去修復. 我反而認為入BB子彈數量不足是一個大問題. 寫明入30粒, 但事實上只能入23-24粒, 是有一點點的欺騙成分.

另外hopup 調整小零件要設計到應該是可拆卸, 否則裡面有parts損壞無法更換的. ...

I agree with that, I also have the loading problem with the magazine, after I load 23-4 rds, it'll be very hard to
load the last few rds.

作者: rik-rok 時間: 22-9-2011 13:54

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原帖由 dennislau1 於 22-9-2011 12:27 發表
彈匣漏氣我尚未有時間去修復. 我反而認為入BB子彈數量不足是一個大問題. 寫明入30粒, 但事實上只能入23-24粒, 是有一點點的欺騙成分.

另外hopup 調整小零件要設計到應該是可拆卸, 否則裡面有parts損壞無法更換的. ...

入得23-24rd，未諗到解決方面。
我都試過36c落場，發現另一問題，
彈匣成日勾到彈匣袋，我已經用M4孖匣厚度，只好用回收袋裝彈匣。

作者: kei_2000s 時間: 22-9-2011 15:36 標題: 回覆 33# 的帖子

拉後個bolt, 慢慢用一字批”叫”出黎啦，記住hop up制推到最前，呢個野好易“叫”爛。
尼個係我其中唔鐘意既地方。

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作者: dennislau1 時間: 22-9-2011 16:13 標題: 回覆 35# 的帖子

考慮緊解決入BB子彈數量不足方法 - 切割少量推彈彈簧. 但還沒有試過.

作者: dennislau1 時間: 22-9-2011 16:14 標題: 回覆 36# 的帖子

Ching 沒有"叫”爛到?

作者: MG-42 時間: 4-10-2011 23:19

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作者: kei_2000s 時間: 5-10-2011 10:08 標題: 回覆 39# 的帖子

需然36C個原裝bolt 算係硬淨, 但如果之後有人出 upgrade part, 咁呢件野打左螺絲膠, 粒機米咁細一擰就滑, 根本拆唔到出黎. 咁係唔係一個問題呢?? 咁當然你可以比人整啦... 但好多師兄都鐘意自己動手, 包括我在內.

我自問甚小打 game, 一年先一次果隻, 你都可以話我無打 game 既經驗而唔G 道相關既要求. 不過我鐘意裝裝拆拆. 我之前響呢個 post 寫既都係個人見解, 當然唔同人有唔同睇法啦, 師兄你要完全否定我都無法子既.

作者: kei_2000s 時間: 5-10-2011 10:21 標題: 回覆 38# 的帖子

有, 不過之後搵人幫手CNC做過隻.....

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作者: dennislau1 時間: 5-10-2011 11:12 標題: 回覆 41# 的帖子

Wawawa do you mind make one for me too?

作者: kei_2000s 時間: 5-10-2011 13:27 標題: 回覆 42# 的帖子

P.M me if u really need, I still have 1 spare.

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