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原帖由 Oscarpanzer 於 23-7-2010 00:36 發表
總之根據SMGLEE的說法,FN SCAR-L係唔會咁早上場
上左la,75th ranger用過,2010年頭

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其實1粒7.62x51都係around 5蚊hkd,咩mk262可能成幾十蚊粒,
美軍又用得多子彈,例子有美軍越戰果時殺1個enemy用幾多彈,
子彈錢都真係幾和味,都係用7.62低同arm用
但係過多幾年,美國可能唔打‘探你班‘,打城市or woodland,
7.62又用唔著,
不如唔好整新槍,整新kit好過la

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原帖由 jn_jona 於 23-7-2010 01:40 發表
其實1粒7.62x51都係around 5蚊hkd,咩mk262可能成幾十蚊粒,
美軍又用得多子彈,例子有美軍越戰果時殺1個enemy用幾多彈,
子彈錢都真係幾和味,都係用7.62低同arm用
但係過多幾年,美國可能唔打‘探你班‘,打城市 ...
冇辦法架 (現時)
E家D防彈衣及防彈甲板越黎越平同埋易買到
你諗下連塔利班都有
佢遲D打乜野係冇甲著架?
所以轉口徑係遲早既事

與其轉D新口徑買過D新槍
不如囉番D倉底貨打番D舊口徑而又做到佢理想既效果
已經係最經濟既做法

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原帖由 Oscarpanzer 於 23-7-2010 00:25 發表

問題當初玩小口徑,係因為根本7.62NATO太大一個步兵唔會有太多AMMO,加上且有幾多人可以打得準,都成問題
所以先以量取勝
補充一點
請問你GET唔GET到個問題所在?
話知你粒MK262講到曉飛上太空
咪又係一粒.223

E家係.223打敵人唔死阿
打唔死人就即係美軍會比人打死阿
仲同你慢慢磨.223? 前線果班友仔博緊命架
除非.223可以打穿甲 , 如果唔係都已經冇乜發展空間

[ 本帖最後由 101653 於 23-7-2010 02:47 編輯 ]

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原帖由 101653 於 23-7-2010 02:46 AM 發表

請問你GET唔GET到個問題所在?
話知你粒MK262講到曉飛上太空
咪又係一粒.223

E家係.223打敵人唔死阿
打唔死人就即係美軍會比人打死阿
仲同你慢慢磨.223? 前線果班友仔博緊命架
非.223可以打穿甲 , 如果唔係都已經冇乜發展空間
你唔好當7.62NATO萬能,FN SCAR-H又唔會取代M16/M4
7.62NATO最終都係有重量問題,如果全面用返7.62NATO即係走回頭路,,
而且現代infantry裝備已經重量多過以前好多
仲有目前7.62步槍的用途以DMR為主,目前大把人仲用緊5.56NATO
另外,仲有另一個問題,有幾多人有高hit rate?
小口徑彈藥已經出現40年,連前USSR都玩埋,證明小口徑優勢
當年7.62nato有咩問題已經清楚
子彈的發揮最佳效能都要DEPEND ON槍管長短
所以將MK.262這類型子彈大量配發,先係實質SOLUTION
何謂無研究空間?科技日新月異,UNLESS你係神,你可以肯定無NEW MATERIAL去更新5.56NATO?
US ARMY已經研究M855A1,則USMC研究MK.318


[ 本帖最後由 Oscarpanzer 於 23-7-2010 09:37 編輯 ]

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New U.S. Army 5.56 Rounds Head to Afghanistan

New U.S. Army 5.56 Rounds Head to Afghanistan

By Scott R. Gourley in Land Forces under Defense Technology, Featured, News with 3 comments
New U.S. Army 5.56 Rounds Head to Afghanistan

On June 23, 2010, U.S. Army representatives announced that they had started shipping that service’s new 5.56mm cartridge, designated the M855A1 Enhanced Performance Round, to support warfighters in Afghanistan.

The new M855A1 round, which will replace the current M855 5.56mm cartridge that has been used by U.S. troops since the early 1980s, is sometimes referred to as “green ammo” since it contains an environmentally friendly projectile that reportedly eliminates up to 2,000 tons of lead from the manufacturing process each year.

The Army launched the M855A1 program in September 2005 as a Congressionally mandated initiative to replace the lead core M855 cartridge. In addition, the program focused efforts on developing a new round that would address what service planners dubbed “perceived shortcomings” with the current M855 used in short barreled weapons like the M4.

According to program participants, the program team, comprised of Project Manager, Maneuver Ammunition Systems (PM-MAS), Army Research Laboratory (ARL), U.S. Army Armaments Research Development and Engineering Center (ARDEC), and ATK team members, evaluated more than 20 potential projectile designs before moving forward with a three-piece, reverse-jacket bullet design incorporating a hardened steel penetrator and lead-free slug.

While Army representatives highlight ballistic test results for the new M855A1 cartridge that showed “improved performance over M855 at both long and short ranges, and across an array of target sets,” the round raised eyebrows following recent reports that the Marine Corps dropped plans to field the M855A1 in favor of fielding the special operations’ MK 318 Mod 0 for Marines in Afghanistan.

The M855A1 uses a reverse-jacketed copper projectile with a hardened steel tip and contains no lead. Courtesy photo via U.S. Army.

In announcing the late June 2010 shipment of the M855A1 round to Army warfighters, service representatives highlighted “a number of significant enhancements not found in the current round. These include improved hard target capability, more dependable, consistent performance at all distances, improved accuracy, reduced muzzle flash and a higher velocity.”

During testing the M855A1 performed better than current 7.62mm ball ammunition against certain types of targets, blurring the performance differences that previously separated the two rounds,” the announcement read, and continued, “The projectile incorporates these improvements without adding weight or requiring additional training.”

Describing the projectile as “the best general purpose 5.56mm round ever produced,” Lt. Col. Jeffrey K. Woods, M855A1 product manager, characterized the fielding as ”the most significant advancement in general purpose small caliber ammunition in decades.”

U.S. Army Project Manager, Maneuver Ammunition Systems Chris Grassano called the fielding “the culmination of an Army enterprise effort by a number of organizations, particularly the Army Research Laboratory, Armament Research Development and Engineering Center, Program Executive Office for Ammunition and the Joint Munitions Command.

“The Army utilized advanced science, modeling and analysis to produce the best 5.56mm round possible for the warfighter,” he said.

The M855A1 is tailored for use in the M4 weapon system, but is also credited with “vastly” improving the performance of the M16 and M249 families of weapons.

Pointing to “more than one million” M855A1 rounds fired during testing to date, program representatives noted that the new cartridge recently completed the limited rate initial production (LRIP) phase and is beginning the follow-on full rate production phase where they plan to procure more than 200 million rounds over the next 12-15 months.

Soldiers in Afghanistan will begin using the M855A1 in the summer of 2010.


http://theyearindefense.com/land ... head-to-afghanistan

[ 本帖最後由 Oscarpanzer 於 23-7-2010 09:25 編輯 ]

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原帖由 Oscarpanzer 於 23-7-2010 08:58 發表

你唔好當7.62NATO萬能,FN SCAR-H又唔會取代M16/M4
7.62NATO最終都係有重量問題,如果全面用返7.62NATO即係走回頭路,,
而且現代infantry裝備已經重量多過以前好多
仲有目前7.62步槍的用途以DMR為主,目前大把人仲用 ...
.223如果真係做到.308既效果
而又繼承.223既優勢
傻既都選.223啦
問題係E家美國佬呻粒子彈打唔死人丫MA
明唔明咩叫打唔死人? 佢唔死我死阿

冇錯科技係日新月異 , 只會向前唔會倒退
但你有冇諗過問題? 進步都有分慢同快
你粒.223越研發得精良 , 意味住將會越進步得慢
如果番番轉頭睇 , E家槍械設計方面技術比以前好 , 後座力控制方面亦相對優秀
現時可見既真係以低廉既成本走番回頭路而做到佢地想要既效果
當然主流線打.223既M4/M16唔會變 , 打唔死既繼續打唔死 , 但都冇乜可能大量使用MK262

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http://blog.163.com/gunworld@126/blog/static/122144283201041095420526/
轉自槍炮世界/裝備與生存

一隻子彈走天下很難吧...

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http://www.gun-world.net/usa/r/scar/prd.htm
槍砲世界有更新, 有提及對MK16前途的推論

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好型 有殺氣x!!
步槍--M16A4
Sniper--M107A1
Machine gun--M60E3
手槍--M1911A1
Sub-machine gun---MP5A5

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黑色令仔D 我覺得,,,,

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原帖由 MG-42 於 27-7-2010 01:45 發表


老實講.. 係美佬咁白痴用M4用5.56打山... 人地說明書講X明5.56最盡打到400m冇力

之後又嘈話打唔死人.. 美佬係識槍唔X洗用曬249,M9,Scar,240,AT-4 呢D歐洲野啦... 出槍唔掂,用槍又唔X識   重傻到尋找萬用彈藥. ...
等等先,你話5.56只打到400m?
m16a4個有效射程去到500m bo
而且500m後都重有力wo

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原帖由 jn_jona 於 27-7-2010 13:59 發表

等等先,你話5.56只打到400m?
m16a4個有效射程去到500m bo
而且500m後都重有力wo
I think "MG42" mean  5.56只打到400m = 5.56打到400m後冇力打唔穿Soft甲防彈衣+防彈板

而且500m後都重有力wo [/quote] but not = 打到500m後重有力打穿Soft甲防彈衣+防彈板

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